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Friday, May 31, 2019

Who Are the Edomites?


WHO ARE THE EDOMITES?



5-31-2019



Oh, the unimaginable delusion suffered by the evangelical Christian Zionists.  Believing that the modern state of Israel is actually the Israelites of the Old Testament.  Claiming that modern Israel is the fulfillment of prophecy.



None is more blatant than the Cutting Edge website.  For years they have been claiming that Palestinians are the descendants of Esau, also known as Edomites and Idumeans.  It is not certain the exact racial makeup of the Palestinians but they are not Edomites. 



David Bay, the official voice of the Cutting Edge website, has maintained that Palestinians as Edomites, will be completely destroyed by the so-called twelve tribes of Israel in fulfillment of the Obadiah prophecy found in verse eighteen.



Yes, this Obadiah prophecy will be fulfilled.  The Edomites will be burned and devoured (this may be metaphoric or not) and there will not be a single survivor of the descendants of Esau.  But the problem which is completely unknown by the Cutting Edge, and others of their ilk, is that the Edomites are posing as Israeli Jews and the fake Edomite Israeli Jews will be the ones that will be destroyed.



From an article by Tom Martincic which appears below:  The Edomites who resided in Israel, later proclaimed themselves to be the house of ISRAEL, and are now recognized as Israel today by the majority of the world.



From the Cutting Edge Newsletter officiated by David Bay




This Palestinian journalist continues, proclaiming that Israel today is comparable to Hitler's racial genocide attempt against the Jew 75 years ago. Then, this video dropped the bomb.



"Hawwa added that Israel is the biggest 'winner' from the Holocaust and that it uses the 'same justification' as a 'launching pad for the racial cleansing and annihilation of the Palestinians'."



What did God foretell 2,600 years ago?



"Arise ye, and let us rise up against her in battle ...there shall not be any remaining of the house of Esau ..." (Obadiah 1, 18, KJV)



Obadiah 1:18 NET The descendants of Jacob will be a fire, and the descendants of Joseph a flame. The descendants of Esau will be like stubble. They will burn them up and devour them. There will not be a single survivor of the descendants of Esau!" Indeed, the LORD has spoken it.



Do not be too quick to dispel these words of warning as simply propaganda hyperbole. Since May, 2000, when God first opened my eyes to the reality of this passage, I have been amazed that the Palestinians seem so ignorant of Israel's plan to annihilate her, man, woman and child, and do so with a weapon of fire (Fuel Air Bomb), precisely as Obadiah foretells.



How do you keep your public preparations for this genocidal action a secret? For example, Israel has constructed a border fence to separate the population, Jew from Palestinian, but this fence is outlandishly more than anyone would need if the goal were simply to keep Palestinian terrorists from infiltrating and setting off terrorist bombs.



Indeed, these fences are 15-feet high and constructed of solid concrete. These concrete barriers are set in place to act as a heat-shield to deflect any over-spray of fire from the Fuel Air Bomb).



This example is but one whiabch should have alerted Palestinian Authorities that Israel was planning to eradicate all Palestinians.



The Assimilation of the Edomites

The Edomites were absorbed into the tribes of Judah and Benjamin during the 100 years of freedom from a beast nation after the death of Antiochus Epiphanes prior to the arrival of the Roman Empire.  By the advent of Jesus Christ there was no distinctive difference between an Edomite and a Judahite.



Josephus, the Jewish historian, recorded in his Antiquities of the Jews.

“Hyrcanus took also Dora and Marissa, cities of Idumea, and subdued all the Idumeans; and permitted them to stay in that country, if they would be circumcised, and make use of the laws of the Jews; and they were so desirous of living in the country of their forefathers, that they submitted to the use of circumcision and the rest of the Jews’ ways of living; at which time therefore, this befell them, that they were hereafter no other than Jews.”



The New Standard Jewish Encyclopedia, edited by Dr. Cecil Roth and Dr. Geoffrey Wigoder (1970 edition), page 587

“The Edomites were conquered by John Hyrcanus who forcibly converted them to Judaism, and from then on they constituted a part of the Jewish people, Herod being one of their descendants. During Titus’ siege of Jerusalem, they marched in to reinforce the extreme elements, killing all they suspected of peace tendencies. Thereafter, they ceased to figure in Jewish history. The name in the Talmud is a synonym for an oppressive government, especially Rome; in the Middle Ages, it was applied to Christian Europe.”



The Jewish Encyclopedia, 1925 edition:  Judas Maccabeus conquered their territory for a time (B.C. 163; Ant. Xii, 8 par. 1, 2). They were again subdued by John Hyrcanus (c. 125 B.C.) by whom they were forced to observe Jewish rites and laws (ib. 9, par. 1; xiv. 4, par. 4). They were then incorporated with the Jewish nation, and their country was called by the Greeks and Romans ‘Idumea’ (Mark iii. 8; Ptolemy, Geography v. 16). With Antipater began the Idumean dynasty that ruled over Judea till its conquest by the Romans. Immediately before the siege of Jerusalem 20,000 Idumeans, under the leadership of John, Simeon, Phinehas, and Jacob, appeared before Jerusalem to fight in behalf of the zealots who were besieged in the Temple (Josephus, B.J. iv. 4, par. 5).  From this time the Idumeans ceased to be a separate people.



Tom Martincic, Eliyah.com  "Edomites" are the descendants of Esau. Esau was called Edom after he sold his birth-right. He later became known as the progenitor of the Edomites. {SEE OBADIAH}

The Edomites were in Israel when the JEWS were in Israel. King Herod which was not a JEW was an Edomite. They dwelled amongst the JEWS, ate with the JEWS adopted their practices, culture etc. Later when Titus besieged Jerusalem and killed the Israelites and sold the younger ones to the Ethiopians, Arabs, and Egyptians.
The Edomites who resided in Israel, later proclaimed themselves to be the house of ISRAEL, and are now recognized as Israel today by the majority of the world.



The New Unger’s Bible Dictionary, p. 333.  The significance of the Edomite population merging with the Jews is often overlooked. But it is not really any secret. Many modern Biblical scholars admit that the historic event did, indeed, occur. For example: “But during the warlike rule of the Maccabees (Hasmonean dynasty of the Jews) they were again completely subdued and even forced to conform to Jewish laws and rites and submit to the government of Jewish perfect. The Edomites were then incorporated into the Jewish nation, and the whole providence was often termed by Greek and Roman writers ‘Idumea’...From this time, the Edomites as a separate people disappear from the pages of history.”



Considering the modern location of the Edomite ancestry, it would appear that Obadiah is prophesying of the burning and destruction of modern Jerusalem and Israel.  Recall the above words of Tom Martincic:



The Edomites who resided in Israel, later proclaimed themselves to be the house of ISRAEL, and are now recognized as Israel today by the majority of the world.



There are some authentic Judahites, and possibly Benjamites, living in Israel and referring to themselves as Jews.  This group will also be judged as shone by the following verses, although there are many more).  Jesus may have been speaking to Edomites, who had apparently taken over the majority of the priesthood, or He was speaking to both Edomites and Judahites.



Matthew 21:41 NET They said to him, "He will utterly destroy those evil men! Then he will lease the vineyard to other tenants who will give him his portion at the harvest."



Matthew 22:7 NET The king was furious! He sent his soldiers, and they put those murderers to death and set their city on fire.



Luke 19:27 NET But as for these enemies of mine who did not want me to be their king, bring them here and slaughter them in front of me!' "



The other group of Israeli Jews are the Khazarians.  Their end will be fulfilled according to the Ezekiel 38 and 39 prophecies.










Friday, October 2, 2015

Edomites & Israel: Who is a Jew-Part 3



EDOMITES AND ISRAEL
Who Is a Jew – Part 3

10/2/2015

The word “Jew” is a shortened version or a nick-name for Judean or Judahite.  The first time it is used in scripture can be found in 2Kings 16:5-6.  The northern ten tribes called Israel were allied with Syria and were in battle with Judah, the southern kingdom consisting of the tribes of Judah, Benjamin, and a few Levites attending the temple.  The nation or house of Israel were conquered and deported by Assyria, between 745 through 721 BC, to an area of northeastern Syria and never returned to the land of Canaan.

When the Old Testament prophets speak of Israel, Ephraim, or Joseph they are referring to the northern ten tribes of Israel either as the actual kingdom prior to 745 BC or the nation as scattered (deported) after that date.  If the prophets are speaking of Judah then the name Judah will be used.

During the Babylonian captivity period many non-Judahite people, Persians or Persian subjects, converted to Judaism and were also called by the name “Jews”.

Esther 8:17 CLV  Also in every place of the different provinces and in each of the different cities to which the king's order and his edict were attaining, there was rejoicing and elation for the Jews, with feasting and a cheerful day. And many of the peoples of the country were professing themselves Jews, for awesome fear of the Jews had fallen on them.

Around 126 BC the Maccabean Hasmoneans conquered the Edomites and gave them the choice of either converting to Judaism or being exiled.  Because Esau and the Edomites always wanted the land of Canaan, conversion became the choice of favor.  Josephus, the Jewish historian, recorded this event in his Antiquities of the Jews.

“Hyrcanus took also Dora and Marissa, cities of Idumea, and subdued all the Idumeans; and permitted them to stay in that country, if they would be circumcised, and make use of the laws of the Jews; and they were so desirous of living in the country of their forefathers, that they submitted to the use of circumcision and the rest of the Jews’ ways of living; at which time therefore, this befell them, that they were hereafter no other than Jews.”

The New Standard Jewish Encyclopedia, edited by Dr. Cecil Roth and Dr. Geoffrey Wigoder (1970 edition), page 587
“The Edomites were conquered by John Hyrcanus who forcibly converted them to Judaism, and from then on they constituted a part of the Jewish people, Herod being one of their descendants. During Titus’ siege of Jerusalem, they marched in to reinforce the extreme elements, killing all they suspected of peace tendencies. Thereafter, they ceased to figure in Jewish history. The name in the Talmud is a synonym for an oppressive government, especially Rome; in the Middle Ages, it was applied to Christian Europe.”

The Edomites were a section of the radical Zealots whose actions and mannerisms caused the Roman army to destroy Jerusalem and the temple in 70 AD.  The Talmud began referring to Rome and Christian Europe as Edom to explain away the Old Testament prophecies concerning Edom as a last days enemy.  The Jews did not want to be credited as the nation destined to fulfill those prophecies so they spiritualized and applied them to other groups of people.  It has been said the terroristic Edomite spirit reclaimed its dominance through the violent Zionism of Vladimir Jabotinsky during the years of the formation of modern Israel during the 1940’s.  Non-violent Jews and British soldiers were murdered during this period to further the Zionist goals.

The terrorist organizations of Menachem Begin and Yitzhak Shamir, as recorded in their own biographies, were simply updated forms of Zealot-Edomite terrorism during the 1040’s.

“Rabbi Amram Blau was imprisoned in Jerusalem, not by the Ottoman authorities, not by the British, and not by the Arabs, but by the Zionists.”

Yitzhak Shamir (i.e., Itzhak Yizernitsky) was responsible for the assassination of Lord Moyne on Nov. 6, 1944. Moyne was Britain’s Minister for Middle East Affairs.

Gerold Frank, The Deed, p. 35: “Explaining the nature of individual terrorism, Itzhak Yizernitsky, who as Shamir, the operations commander of the Stern group, planned the death of Moyne, once said: “A man who goes forth to take the life of another whom he does not know must believe one thing only— that by his act he will change the course of history.”  “Each made his way by different roads to the same conclusion: that Britain would not give up Palestine unless forced to; that freedom would be won only by fighting for it and that if it was to be won, Jewish zealots patterned after those who twenty centuries ago rose up against the might of Rome must now rise up against the might of Britain.”

The prophet, Obadiah, states that the Edomite nation will eventually be destroyed even though David Bay of Cutting Edge News believes and preaches it will be fulfilled when the current nation of Israel destroys the Palestinians. 

Obadiah 1:15-18 NET  "For the day of the LORD is approaching for all the nations! Just as you have done, so it will be done to you. You will get exactly what your deeds deserve.  (16)  For just as you have drunk on my holy mountain, so all the nations will drink continually. They will drink, and they will gulp down; they will be as though they had never been.  (17)  But on Mount Zion there will be a remnant of those who escape, and it will be a holy place once again. The descendants of Jacob will conquer those who had conquered them.  (18)  The descendants of Jacob will be a fire, and the descendants of Joseph a flame. The descendants of Esau will be like stubble. They will burn them up and devour them. There will not be a single survivor of the descendants of Esau!" Indeed, the LORD has spoken it.

However, it can be detected in the Obadiah passage above, the people delivering God’s judgment on the Edomites will be the descendants of Jacob and Joseph.  These descendants are people of the so-called lost ten tribes of Israel, and not the current nation of Israel which will be the ones destroyed.  Verse 17 of Obadiah exclaims that Mount Zion will once again become a Holy place when the Zionists have been eradicated.  Therefore, the modern day nation of Israel will fulfill the blessing that Isaac gave Jacob and those of the final destruction of Edom.

Various efforts have been made to claim that Turkey, China, Palestinians, or other nations or areas are actually modern Edom.  This may be an attempt to shift the focus from Zionist Israel to some other part of the world.

Regardless of the beliefs of certain Christians and other, the modern term “Jew” does not refer to a pure racial Abrahamic stock even of the tribe of Judah.  There are Edomite Jews, Persian converts, Ethiopian Jews, Ashkenazi Khazar converted Jews, Sephardim Jews, as well as black, Japanese, and Chinese Jews.  They are not a pure race from any stretch of the imagination.  Some believe they can become “chosen of God” by converting to Judaism.  To be chosen of God is to be a Christian.

For more information concerning false Jews of Israel who are actually Edomites and Ashkenazi Khazars, see the following links:  Israel is Edom      The Dominion of Esau    Gog, Magog, Khazars, & Denial       Israel & Deluded Theology    Dominion & Delusion