Judgment vs Justice

JUDGMENT VS JUSTICE

Post Date:  8-20-2019

This article will discuss events happening in Luke 13 but the background is found in Luke 12.  Jesus was about to speak to an extremely large group of people.  There were so many and so crowded that scripture claims they were trampling on one another.

Luke 12:1 NET Meanwhile, when many thousands of the crowd had gathered so that they were trampling on one another…..

After telling various parables and other words of enlightenment a few at the front of the massive crowd asked Jesus some questions concerning personal judgment and justice.  The first question concerned a group of Galilean people bringing their sacrificial animals to the temple area and were slaughtered by Pilate’s soldiers.  The assault was unexpected and so brutal that both people and animals were killed together and the blood of both groups (people and animals) were mixed together.

The basic background idea was that these people who questioned Jesus had seen a group of so-called innocent moral upright religious people slaughtered in a horrible manner and they were doing what they were supposed to be doing at that particular time.  In the minds of the witnesses, there was no indication of any moral reason for them to be unexpectedly massacred.

Luke 13:1 NET Now there were some present on that occasion who told him about the Galileans whose blood Pilate had mixed with their sacrifices.

The second question the people asked Jesus concerned the tower at Siloam, built by the Romans, that fell crushing 18 people.  The crowd was wondering why these unsuspecting people going about their daily lives were crushed to death.  They did nothing wrong deserving of death.  They asked Jesus, “can you comment on that?  Can you explain the massacres, calamities, and disasters that you know happened?”

The thought process of the current religious leaders claimed that tragedies occurred to unrighteous sinful people and not to upright people and teachers of the law.  This thought had been relayed to the common people and they couldn’t understand why these particular people preparing to offer a sacrifice or going about their normal daily life would be among the unrighteous sinful deserving of death.  Where is the justice?

As people would perhaps do today, Jesus could have answered with, “well, you know, stuff happens” or “even Satan gets a turn every once in a while”.  Unlike many of us attempting to explain these occurrence, Jesus does not explain the “why”, rather He explains what the purposes of God are in such disasters, calamities, and massacres.

Jesus refutes the argument of the religious leaders that only unrighteous sinners are punished with calamities.  He explains that all are sinners.  One group of people are not more sinful than another.  These events could happen to anyone at anytime.

Luke 13:2 NET He answered them, "Do you think these Galileans were worse sinners than all the other Galileans, because they suffered these things?

Concerning the Siloam tower that collapsed killing 18 people he says:

Luke 13:4 NET Or those eighteen who were killed when the tower in Siloam fell on them, do you think they were worse offenders than all the others who live in Jerusalem?

  Then He gives the people the same warning for both calamities.

Luke 13:3 NET No, I tell you! But unless you repent, you will all perish as well!

Luke 13:5 NET  No, I tell you! But unless you repent you will all perish as well!"

This could be misunderstood to mean that they would perish by the same means as the Galileans or the people at Siloam.  The truth is, everyone will perish or die expect for a select few called the elect/overcomers at the return of Jesus Christ.  However Jesus is recorded as saying, “unless you repent, you will all perish as well”.

The majority of my versions and translations use the word “perish”.  One says “die” and one other says “destruct”.

Although it does not specifically claim that the unrepentant will die and go to hell, it has led many to believe that is the case.  First of all, it is my doctrinal belief and opinion that a fiery hell does not exist.  This (to me) fact has been covered in several past articles.  So exactly what does Jesus mean by “unless you repent you will all perish as well!"

The Second Resurrection

As said earlier, almost everyone dies/perish/etc.  Either by a biological natural death or by an accidental death or by some type of calamity. 

Is it possible that some or many die twice?  Metaphorically speaking, this may be true.

At the return of Christ and during the Millennial Kingdom of God, those alive at that time will continue living and have children who will continue living until the end of the thousand years.  The many, from the beginning of creation, who will not experience the first resurrection will experience the second resurrection.

At the White Throne Judgment (see Revelation 20:11-12) the repentant, Christ believing folks will experience little to no corrective punishment (see Matthew 25:34).  However, the unrepentant, the atheists, deists, Islamists, etc. will be subject to some or an extreme amount of corrective punishment which is referred to as fire or the fire of God (see Matthew 25:41).

Matthew 25:31-33 NET "When the Son of Man comes in his glory and all the angels with him, then he will sit on his glorious throne. (32) All the nations will be assembled before him, and he will separate people one from another like a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. (33) He will put the sheep on his right and the goats on his left. (34) Then the king will say to those on his right, 'Come, you who are blessed by my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world

Matthew 25:41 NET (41) "Then he will say to those on his left, 'Depart from me, you accursed, into the eternal (actually age abiding, not forever) fire (God’s cleansing and corrective fire) that has been prepared for the devil and his angels!

It has been suggested by some (outside of any actual Biblical proof) that murderers killing people by such means as (guns, knives, actual fire, hangings, poisons, etc.) may undergo a death similar to the ones they instituted.  Thus they would undergo a second death although they would again be resurrected.  For some, it is said, this may repeatedly occur for an “age abiding”.  This could be a form of “the punishment fits the crime”.  Please understand I am not promoting this idea as doctrine because it is beyond my purview (to quote William Mueller).

To most, however, the laws of punishment for crimes (i.e. the laws of God) will be applied.  Some may be short term and others may continue for an “age abiding”.  This may include various types of slavery, bondage, or servitude to a glorified first resurrection person where they will be instructed to thoroughly understand the ways and laws of God.

The Fire Of God

The fire of God that appears in many scriptures (Old and New) is not a type of carbon based combustion.  God is a spirit and His fiery presence is spiritual as well.  The fire of God is a cleansing and corrective agent such as burning the chaff from the grain or refining residue from various types of metals.

Some examples of the Fire of God

Exodus 3:2 KJV  And the angel of the LORD appeared unto him in a flame of fire out of the midst of a bush: and he looked, and, behold, the bush burned with fire, and the bush was not consumed.  (And Moses did not have a heat stroke) (It was the spiritual appearance of fire and not an organic carbon based fire)

Exodus 13:21 KJV  And the LORD went before them by day in a pillar of a cloud, to lead them the way; and by night in a pillar of fire (and no one got overheated), to give them light; to go by day and night:

Zechariah 13:9 NET Then I will bring the remaining third into the fire; (i.e. or corrective discipline)  I will refine them like silver is refined and will test them like gold is tested. They will call on my name and I will answer; I will say, 'These are my people,' and they will say, 'The LORD is my God.' "

Malachi 3:2-3 NET Who can endure the day of his coming? Who can keep standing when he appears? For he will be like a refiner's fire, like a launderer's soap. (3) He will act like a refiner and purifier of silver and will cleanse the Levites and refine them like gold and silver. Then they will offer the LORD a proper offering.

Matthew 3:11 NET "I baptize you with water, for repentance, but the one coming after me is more powerful than I am -- I am not worthy to carry his sandals. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire (fire and the Holy Spirit are the same).

Universal Reconciliation

Yes, I am a doctrinal believer of Universal Reconciliation.  Everything was created by God.  He owns all things and He will reconcile all things to Himself.

1 Corinthians 15:22-23a
22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ all shall be made alive. 23 But each one in his own order…

Perish is just a different translation for "dying" "die."

Death always ends in resurrection, each in his own order.

For 1Timothy 2:3-6, given below, the preferred translation is the KJV which reads, “Who will have all men to be saved”.

1 Timothy 2:3-6 KJV  For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour;  (4)  Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.  (5)  For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;  (6)  Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.

The word “all” means “all”.  It does not imply some or just the repentant.  At the White Throne Judgment some may appear kicking and screaming but all will eventually bow their knees to God and not through force but through obedience and desire.

From: Pedowood calls off The Hunt by Dr. Stephen Jones: 8-12-2019

Keep in mind that the depraved minds of modern Babylonians reject biblical morals and any form of Kingdom law or government. They do not feel constrained nor do they think they are accountable to God in any way. Violence is wrong only if others do it to them. They demand freedom of speech for themselves but deny it for their opponents. They are a miserable lot but are slaves to sin and don’t know how to find true peace and happiness in Christ.

Continue to pray for the outpouring of the Holy Spirit, because this is the only real hope for the world. Keep in mind that God knew all about this from the beginning. He knew how Adam’s sin would grow until it filled the earth with madness. When He transferred the Dominion Mandate to the King of Babylon, which was then passed down to Persia, Greece, Rome, the Little Horn, and finally, modern Mystery Babylon, He knew that the darkness would increase.

God planned for the solution to be brought to the earth after their Mandate expired in 2017. We are privileged to live in this time as the Kingdom begins to emerge and unfold. But meanwhile, the old beast systems have to expose themselves for what they are, and they have to be overthrown.

This takes time. We are not yet two years into it (since October 2017). Yet the darkness is being exposed for what it is, in order to prepare our hearts for the greatest move of the Spirit since the dawn of history.