Who Are the Edomites?

WHO ARE THE EDOMITES?

5-31-2019

Oh, the unimaginable delusion suffered by the evangelical Christian Zionists.  Believing that the modern state of Israel is actually the Israelites of the Old Testament.  Claiming that modern Israel is the fulfillment of prophecy.

None is more blatant than the Cutting Edge website.  For years they have been claiming that Palestinians are the descendants of Esau, also known as Edomites and Idumeans.  It is not certain the exact racial makeup of the Palestinians but they are not Edomites. 

David Bay, the official voice of the Cutting Edge website, has maintained that Palestinians as Edomites, will be completely destroyed by the so-called twelve tribes of Israel in fulfillment of the Obadiah prophecy found in verse eighteen.

Yes, this Obadiah prophecy will be fulfilled.  The Edomites will be burned and devoured (this may be metaphoric or not) and there will not be a single survivor of the descendants of Esau.  But the problem which is completely unknown by the Cutting Edge, and others of their ilk, is that the Edomites are posing as Israeli Jews and the fake Edomite Israeli Jews will be the ones that will be destroyed.

From an article by Tom Martincic which appears below:  The Edomites who resided in Israel, later proclaimed themselves to be the house of ISRAEL, and are now recognized as Israel today by the majority of the world.

From the Cutting Edge Newsletter officiated by David Bay

https://www.cuttingedge.org/newsletters/index.html

This Palestinian journalist continues, proclaiming that Israel today is comparable to Hitler's racial genocide attempt against the Jew 75 years ago. Then, this video dropped the bomb.

"Hawwa added that Israel is the biggest 'winner' from the Holocaust and that it uses the 'same justification' as a 'launching pad for the racial cleansing and annihilation of the Palestinians'."

What did God foretell 2,600 years ago?

"Arise ye, and let us rise up against her in battle ...there shall not be any remaining of the house of Esau ..." (Obadiah 1, 18, KJV)

Obadiah 1:18 NET The descendants of Jacob will be a fire, and the descendants of Joseph a flame. The descendants of Esau will be like stubble. They will burn them up and devour them. There will not be a single survivor of the descendants of Esau!" Indeed, the LORD has spoken it.

Do not be too quick to dispel these words of warning as simply propaganda hyperbole. Since May, 2000, when God first opened my eyes to the reality of this passage, I have been amazed that the Palestinians seem so ignorant of Israel's plan to annihilate her, man, woman and child, and do so with a weapon of fire (Fuel Air Bomb), precisely as Obadiah foretells.

How do you keep your public preparations for this genocidal action a secret? For example, Israel has constructed a border fence to separate the population, Jew from Palestinian, but this fence is outlandishly more than anyone would need if the goal were simply to keep Palestinian terrorists from infiltrating and setting off terrorist bombs.

Indeed, these fences are 15-feet high and constructed of solid concrete. These concrete barriers are set in place to act as a heat-shield to deflect any over-spray of fire from the Fuel Air Bomb).

This example is but one whiabch should have alerted Palestinian Authorities that Israel was planning to eradicate all Palestinians.

The Assimilation of the Edomites

The Edomites were absorbed into the tribes of Judah and Benjamin during the 100 years of freedom from a beast nation after the death of Antiochus Epiphanes prior to the arrival of the Roman Empire.  By the advent of Jesus Christ there was no distinctive difference between an Edomite and a Judahite.

Josephus, the Jewish historian, recorded in his Antiquities of the Jews.

“Hyrcanus took also Dora and Marissa, cities of Idumea, and subdued all the Idumeans; and permitted them to stay in that country, if they would be circumcised, and make use of the laws of the Jews; and they were so desirous of living in the country of their forefathers, that they submitted to the use of circumcision and the rest of the Jews’ ways of living; at which time therefore, this befell them, that they were hereafter no other than Jews.”

The New Standard Jewish Encyclopedia, edited by Dr. Cecil Roth and Dr. Geoffrey Wigoder (1970 edition), page 587

“The Edomites were conquered by John Hyrcanus who forcibly converted them to Judaism, and from then on they constituted a part of the Jewish people, Herod being one of their descendants. During Titus’ siege of Jerusalem, they marched in to reinforce the extreme elements, killing all they suspected of peace tendencies. Thereafter, they ceased to figure in Jewish history. The name in the Talmud is a synonym for an oppressive government, especially Rome; in the Middle Ages, it was applied to Christian Europe.”

The Jewish Encyclopedia, 1925 edition:  Judas Maccabeus conquered their territory for a time (B.C. 163; Ant. Xii, 8 par. 1, 2). They were again subdued by John Hyrcanus (c. 125 B.C.) by whom they were forced to observe Jewish rites and laws (ib. 9, par. 1; xiv. 4, par. 4). They were then incorporated with the Jewish nation, and their country was called by the Greeks and Romans ‘Idumea’ (Mark iii. 8; Ptolemy, Geography v. 16). With Antipater began the Idumean dynasty that ruled over Judea till its conquest by the Romans. Immediately before the siege of Jerusalem 20,000 Idumeans, under the leadership of John, Simeon, Phinehas, and Jacob, appeared before Jerusalem to fight in behalf of the zealots who were besieged in the Temple (Josephus, B.J. iv. 4, par. 5).  From this time the Idumeans ceased to be a separate people.

Tom Martincic, Eliyah.com  "Edomites" are the descendants of Esau. Esau was called Edom after he sold his birth-right. He later became known as the progenitor of the Edomites. {SEE OBADIAH}

The Edomites were in Israel when the JEWS were in Israel. King Herod which was not a JEW was an Edomite. They dwelled amongst the JEWS, ate with the JEWS adopted their practices, culture etc. Later when Titus besieged Jerusalem and killed the Israelites and sold the younger ones to the Ethiopians, Arabs, and Egyptians.
The Edomites who resided in Israel, later proclaimed themselves to be the house of ISRAEL, and are now recognized as Israel today by the majority of the world.

The New Unger’s Bible Dictionary, p. 333.  The significance of the Edomite population merging with the Jews is often overlooked. But it is not really any secret. Many modern Biblical scholars admit that the historic event did, indeed, occur. For example: “But during the warlike rule of the Maccabees (Hasmonean dynasty of the Jews) they were again completely subdued and even forced to conform to Jewish laws and rites and submit to the government of Jewish perfect. The Edomites were then incorporated into the Jewish nation, and the whole providence was often termed by Greek and Roman writers ‘Idumea’...From this time, the Edomites as a separate people disappear from the pages of history.”

Considering the modern location of the Edomite ancestry, it would appear that Obadiah is prophesying of the burning and destruction of modern Jerusalem and Israel.  Recall the above words of Tom Martincic:

The Edomites who resided in Israel, later proclaimed themselves to be the house of ISRAEL, and are now recognized as Israel today by the majority of the world.

There are some authentic Judahites, and possibly Benjamites, living in Israel and referring to themselves as Jews.  This group will also be judged as shone by the following verses, although there are many more).  Jesus may have been speaking to Edomites, who had apparently taken over the majority of the priesthood, or He was speaking to both Edomites and Judahites.

Matthew 21:41 NET They said to him, "He will utterly destroy those evil men! Then he will lease the vineyard to other tenants who will give him his portion at the harvest."

Matthew 22:7 NET The king was furious! He sent his soldiers, and they put those murderers to death and set their city on fire.

Luke 19:27 NET But as for these enemies of mine who did not want me to be their king, bring them here and slaughter them in front of me!' "

The other group of Israeli Jews are the Khazarians.  Their end will be fulfilled according to the Ezekiel 38 and 39 prophecies.

Planting on Higher Ground; Kim Clement

PLANTING THE BANNER ON HIGHER GROUND

By Dr. Stephen Jones on May 29, 2019

Posted:  5-30-2019

Yesterday, May 28, we achieved a significant victory in spiritual warfare. It really began the day before yesterday, when we discerned that Christ was coming to us with a new song and the banner of love (Song of Solomon 2:4). The ultimate purpose of this was for the healing of the nations.

The new song was to be built around the frequency of 528 Hz, which is Mi in the Solfeggio musical scale (as in Do, Re, Mi). The names of the notes were taken from the first stanza of the ancient Hymn to St. John the Baptist. Mi is short for Mira (“Miracle”) and 528 is known as the frequency of healing miracles and transformation.

Anyway, for many years we have associated May 28 with the 528 Mi musical note. We discerned that May 28 was going to be significant in some way, but we had to wait until then to find out what precisely would occur.

Apparently, the other side also discerned the importance of this date—or perhaps their plans made it important. We had some remote viewing visitors that had to be brought into judgment. Their job, it seems, was to see if they could recruit us to their cause, if that were possible. We were slightly offended that they would even entertain such hope. All they did was to kick in the “eye for eye” law, for if they could spy (trespass) on us, we had legal cause to spy on them.

We also asked for protection, because we discerned that a battle was coming soon and that it could potentially be dangerous to us and to others.

Atonement Silver

The next morning (May 28), I received 3 pieces of silver in the mail. According to the note inside the envelope, this was associated with the law of census in Exodus 30:12, 13, 16. It was “atonement” money to cover (protect) people from “the plague” and in battle. Hence, many call it the Soldiers’ Ransom.

The Hebrew word for atonement is kippur, as in Yom Kippur, the Day of Atonement. Kippur means “covering,” and in fact kippur is the origin of our English word “cover.”

The law says that such silver was to be given for use in the sanctuary (tabernacle or temple). A few hours later (afternoon), we discovered that this was our sign of protection that we had requested the previous day—not only for our own protection, but for the protection of the entire army that God has raised up around us. (That’s YOU.) The one sending the silver was acting on behalf of the entire body, though she was unaware of God’s higher purpose in this.

God often leads us by personal circumstances to do things without revealing His greater purpose until later. So also, I was led to go on a fast beginning last Saturday. I thought it was just a routine fast for health purposes, but it turned out to be a preparation period for the coming spiritual battle. I had no idea until after the fact that it would require 3½ days of fasting. But there is a time for every revelation, and God does not normally reveal everything ahead of time.

Preliminary Revelations

The team of three (one for each piece of silver) met on May 28, and we were given revelation of the tav, which was originally written as a cross or X. The letter tav literally means “a mark or sign” and is used in Scripture to indicate God’s signature. In this context, it was about Ezekiel 9:4, where the man with the inkhorn put a “mark” (literally, tav) on the foreheads of those who were being protected at that time.

The X signified that they belonged to God, and hence, He put His name on their foreheads, as seen in Revelation 22:4. (This is the opposite of the “mark of the beast.”) It is all built upon the law in Deuteronomy 6:8, where we are instructed to write His laws on our hand and forehead. In fact, about a week ago, I had written “Deut. 6:8” on a yellow sticky note and had stuck it to Sharon’s forehead. We laughed at the time, but yet we also took it seriously. Even so, I did not realize at the time that this was an early setup for the battle on May 28.

I have said many times that most prophecy is inadvertent. That is the way it ought to be, I suppose, because when these things come to pass, we realize that it was all God’s doing. What we thought was just “us” was actually Him leading us anonymously by His sovereign will.

There are great lessons in that.

The next preliminary revelation was the 41-42 day cycle from May 28 to July 8-9, based on the fact that Israel had 41 camps in the wilderness, and their 42^nd encampment was on the plains of Jericho after crossing the Jordan River. See Numbers 33:1-37, where these are listed.

I had never made the connection between May 28 and July 9 before. I had never noticed that it was a 42-day cycle. But now it appears to signify a speeded-up wilderness journey before entering the Promised Land in some manner. Ultimately, this is a path to Sonship, which was also revealed in the preliminary revelations given on May 27, 28. So the rewards are great, but it is too soon to know just how this will play out. As usual, God tells us just enough so that we know what to do, giving us the vision (and hope) of the final reward. Then we are required to be watchful to see what He does, simply because we do not know fully what He has in mind.

Perhaps the most important thing, however, is that on May 28, 1991 the “New Net of Prayer” was established prophetically. I wrote about this in chapter 9 of my book, The Wars of the Lord. The co-incidence of the date itself, where two events coincide by having the same date in common, speaks into the prophecy itself, giving it structure and definition. It told us that this ministry, prophesied as the “New Net of Prayer” in July 1986, and established five years later in 1991 after a lengthy delay, was now being enhanced, or brought to a new level in 2019.

This is obviously a long-term plan, as we view long term. God’s view of long-term is in terms of thousands of years or from timeless eternity, but ours is relative to our life span.

The connection to July 9 is also significant, dating back as early as a prayer battle in 1984 and again in 2010 when we cast barley into the Mississippi River according to the 8^th miracle sign of Elisha. You can read those reports here:

https://www.gods-kingdom-ministries.net/daily-weblogs/2010/07-2010/headwaters-trip-report/

https://www.gods-kingdom-ministries.net/daily-weblogs/2010/07-2010/barley-works-in-144-hours/

The Battle

Our first real notice of impending battle came when Jesus told us, “Witchcraft Army coming.” We discerned that it was important for us to know where they were coming from. We first discerned the East Coast, but as the battle unfolded, we saw that it was also coming from St. James Island in the Virgin Islands in the Caribbean.

That is also known as Pedo Island, owned by Jeff Epstein. It was largely destroyed by fire last year on April 6, 2018, after its human trafficking was exposed by the investigation into the NXIVM cult. Allison Mack was arrested two weeks later on April 20, 2018, and that is when the story began to be reported in the news.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeffrey_Epstein

Of interest is the fact that both Michael and Gabriel teamed up in this battle.

In the heat of battle, we came to see that Epstein was much more than a convicted pedophile billionaire. His blood sacrifices of children were designed to achieve great spiritual power, and so the battle was more intense than any I have ever experienced. (That’s saying a lot.) Wave after wave came against us, but of course they were no match for Jesus’ army. We took them all captive and sent them into outer darkness.

We saw eight entities in a circle and a ninth that appeared to be above the others. One of the eight was Afak, and the controlling spirit was the Prince of Greece, probably going back to the third beast empire (after Persia). In all, we overcame 15 princes and 2 archprinces, along with the rank-and-file army itself.

Michael struck the main blow with his great Sword of the Spirit. When the battle was won, Gabriel blew a great trumpet to announce a portion of the Scroll of Destiny. There will be a great outpouring of the Spirit soon. In that outpouring, the Spirit of God will be poured out upon Donald Trump and also Hillary Clinton.

This is the first real witness that we have received that supports Kim Clement’s prophecy from years ago that the Spirit will be poured out upon the next president and that “Hillary will have a testimony second to none.” This is in spite of the fact that both Bill and Hillary have gone to Epstein’s “Pedo Island” many times over the years. I suspect that a lot of repentance will be required. Kim’s prophecy thus seems unbelievable, but nothing is impossible with God. In fact, God rather enjoys making things look impossible just before He does it, making it look easy.

There is no doubt that the coming outpouring of the Spirit is going to be greater than any other from the past, at least in terms of its scope.

The New Song

We ended with a declaration of the New Song, where we read Revelation 5:9 and 10 as a declaration:

⁹ And they sang a new song, saying, “Worthy art Thou to take the book and to break its seals, for Thou wast slain and didst purchase for God with Thy blood men from every tribe and tongue and people and nation. ¹⁰ And Thou hast made them to be a kingdom and priests to our God; and they will reign on the earth.

This is a song about overcomers, and for this reason, it applies to a limited number of people. These few “reign on the earth,” that is, they reign over the rest of the world. They are the ones who fulfill the calling of Abraham, having Abrahamic faith in the promises of God (Romans 4:21). The promise of God is that Abraham’s seed will be His agents through whom the promised blessings will be extended to the rest of humanity or “all the families of the earth” (Genesis 12:3).

So after the “new song” in Revelation 5:9 and 10, we read the response from the divine council in Revelation 5:11, 12, followed by the response from the rest of humanity in Revelation 5:13. The meaning is clear: The work of the overcomers as they sing their new song (message) will be successful and God will succeed in fulfilling His promises, vows, and oaths.

In the end, the new song is about the restoration of all things, purchased by the blood of Jesus, as it says (Revelation 5:9). The banner accompanying this song is the banner of love, which is at the bottom of the entire plan of God, including His judgments.

We know that His blood purchased the whole world, giving Him the legal right to save all mankind. As the Victim for the sin of the world, the law of victims rights gave Him the right to forgive, and He did so on the cross (Luke 23:34). He exercised that right in order to fulfill the promises of God.

I am convinced that we are able to do this work more effectively than many others because we are in agreement with the divine plan to restore all things. We understand that blessing the nations means to turn them all from their wicked ways (Acts 3:25, 26). Hence, our purpose is to bless, motivated by love, using the Sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God. This sword is powered by love that never fails (1 Corinthians 13:8), and by this sword we overcome evil with good (Romans 12:21).

Conclusion

On May 28, 2019 the “New Net of Prayer,” which is how God characterized this ministry long ago, took higher ground and entered a new level of ministry that will no doubt unfold in the months and years ahead. We know our mission and message, as stated in the new song. We are assured of success, regardless of how impossible or improbable it appears on the surface.

No doubt we will get a clearer picture when this 42-day cycle ends on July 9.

2007 KIM CLEMENT PROPHECY SAYS PRESIDENT WILL BE BAPTIZED IN HOLY SPIRIT, BUILD THE WALL, WIN SECOND TERM

From Charisma News 1/31/2019

https://www.charismanews.com/video/75015-2007-kim-clement-prophecy-says-president-will-be-baptized-in-holy-spirit-build-the-wall-win-second-term?fbclid=IwAR2ZqxGgroKUIHCYF2X4f7PeJsMWTKduKcmDSstC6X-EaJVt8wrKYaH_M_k

In 2007, Kim Clement prophesied that a president would be elected who would pray in office—but would not start that way—and would build "walls of protection" and be elected to a second term.

Clement reportedly received a prophetic word in Scottsdale, Arizona, Feb. 10, 2007, in which he said, "There will be a praying president, not a religious one. 'For I will fool the people,' says the Lord. 'I will fool the people. Yes, I will.'

"God says, 'The one that is chosen shall go in, and they shall say, "He has hot blood." For the Spirit of God says, 'Yes, he may have hot blood, but he will bring the walls of protection on this country in a greater way and the economy of this country shall change rapidly,' says the Lord of Hosts.

"Listen to the Word of the Lord. God says, 'I will put at your helm for two terms a president that will pray, but he will not be a praying president when he starts. I will put him in office and then I will baptize him with the Holy Spirit and My power.'"

Later, in Redding, California, on April 4, 2007, Clement said Donald Trump would "be a trumpet" and also suggested that Bill Gates would have an important role to play in the church's future. He also said God would anoint a future president with His Spirit and there would be a praying man in the White House.

Clement says, "I will raise up the Trump to be a trumpet and Bill Gates to open up the gate of a financial realm for the church, says the Lord. ... It shall come to pass that the man that I place in the highest office shall go in whispering My name. But God said, 'When he enters into the office, he will be shouting out by the power of the Spirit, for I shall fill him with My Spirit when he goes into office, and there will be a praying man in the highest seat in the land.'"

Transcript From the Video that appears with the Charisma News site above

Words in parentheses, along with sentence structure, and punctuation are “educated guesses”.

What will take place shall be the most unusual thing, a Transfiguration.  At going into the marketplace, if you wish, into the news media with Time magazine (which) will have no choice but to say what I wanted to say - what I wanted to say - love you - what I want to say.

Trump shall become a trumpet says the Lord.  Trump shall become a trumpet.  I will raise up the Trump to become a trumpet and Bill Gates to open up the gate of a financial realm for the church says (the Lord) nylon

Don't forget 9/11.  I will not forget what took place that day and I will not forget the gatekeeper (who) watched over New York who (will) once again stand and watch over this nation says the Spirit of God.

 It shall come to pass that the men (or man) that I placed in the highest office shall go in whispering my name that God (sends) when he enters into the office.  He will be shouting out by the power of the Spirit that I shall fill him with my spirit when he goes into office.   (He will be a) praying man in the highest seat in your (area?) will be a praying president not a religious one.

But I will fool the people says the Lord I will fool the people yes I will.  But the one that is chosen shall go in and they shall say he has hot blood but the Spirit of God says yes he may have hot blood but he will bring the walls of protection on this country in a greater way and the economy of this country shall change rapidly says the Lord of Hosts.

Listen to the word of the Lord God (Who) says I will put at your helm for two terms a president that will pray (but) he will not be a praying president when he starts.  I will put him in office and then I will baptize him with the Holy Spirit and My power shall come upon him.

An older iteration of Kim Clement’s Trump prophecies can be found at the following link:

https://freedomfromdelusion.blogspot.com/2016/12/clement-prophecy-concerning-donald-trump.html

EDITOR’S COMMENT

Dr. Jones and his prayer group are convinced, by revelations from God, that a tremendous out poring of the Holy Spirit will soon occur.  This out poring will be so intense that many will turn to God for forgiveness and the message of the Gospels.  This will apparently affect Hillary Clinton and Bill Gates (and many others).

Everyone is currently clamoring for Hillary Clinton (and other deep state figures) to be sent to prison for her crimes, but God did not designate a prison system in His laws.  The laws of God will be the legal system of the Kingdom of God.  For infractions (sins) other than murder, rape, or adultery, the laws were designed for the perpetrator to work out their crimes as a servant or slave.  God desires repentance and a circumcision of the heart, not prison.